Monday, July 9, 2007

Why U should NOT celebrate PETRA!!!

It was a tragically historic day in every sense, a tragedy that will someday be looked upon in disgrace and total amazement... maybe a hundred years from now maybe less students will be taught in history classes that Jordanians celebrated with great zeal from night till dawn while their brothers were getting killed in millions all over... they will see very different pictures of joy and blood pools... pictures in Iraq, Lebanon, Palastine, Afghanistan, Pakistan and so many places...

It was a sad day indeed, in which you could sense how devided we are... How easily distracted by media, how influenced we are by our search for tourist money... this is what we have become... so material... so lost in our search for money and recognition of a touristic landmark that we have plunged into the streets like madmen shouting, cheering and celebrating while our brothers are killing each other...

History will note that men will march in the streets for Petra but will not lift a finger for blood spelled of brothers and sisters...

Men and women will cheer and laugh out loud and fireworks will light the sky, while a million daggers stab into the backs of Iraqis, Palestinians, Afghans and the list goes on...

One wise man had once said, "The greatest Achievement of the western media and colonization was that they have convinced us we are NO LONGER ONE NATION"... I can't think of a better example than what had happened in recent celebrations of PETRA...

If you want a reason NOT to celebrate Petra, search in the eyes of millions of victims shown every night on NEWS...

If you have a sense of belonging to a greater cause I'm sure you will find millions of reasons...

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

You are being a bit harsh. Even prisoners find time to celebrate. Are you saying you have never attended any wedding, graduation, birthday party, social, picnic,.. Of course you have, and there is nothing wrong with that. What matters is that we don't forget and that we continue to be engaged, and that does not require constant mourning and living in a state of siege. I know top notch activists personally who are some of the best media and grassroots activists. They put most of us to shame with their energy. And they party like there is no tomorrow and can drink like camels and fool around like..well. What matters is the balance. Do your part, then do whatever you please. That's my motto .

M Kilany said...

Rameena,

Interesting point of view, but I still can't find an excuse to go rambling all over the streets of Jordan in this troubled time... The thing is we no longer feel we are one people, if this had happened right after the hotel bombings in Jordan... we would not have celebrated in this fashion... don't you agree!

We no longer feel as part of a larger nation its more like what happens in Iraq is something that concerns only Iraqis... and so on...

Anonymous said...

I would have to disagree, sorry! but let's take the lebanese for example (no offense) they themselves are out partying everynight with nothing to celebrate except their love for life.
why should we not celebrate a big event in our history as Jordanians?

M Kilany said...

Wonders,
You don't have to be sorry for anything, I understand your point of view even if I don't agree...

To clarify a bit, let me give an example, if you had lost a cousin, the same day you planned your graduation party at home... would you celebrate with fireworks and turn music up so the whole neighbourhood would hear you... Or would you feel with him, just try to make as little fuss as possible, maybe turn down that music a little bit, if it was too much to ask for not partying...

The point is, We don't feel these guys are cousins, brothers or sisters... we became so distant...

Anonymous said...

What about weddings? Can people have weddings this summer? I'm going home to attend a family wedding. Should I cancel? Or should I maybe talk to the family and tell them that it's 3aib that they're celebrating while people are dying in Palestine?

Anonymous said...

Kilany, your grief is perfectly understandable. But remember how the Americans and Brits reacted to the attacks. They said they will not allow the attackers to change their way of life. They still go to work, take precautions, and fight.

We must deny Arab killers, be they Americans, brits, or jews, the power to influence our lives and to put us in a state of siege. What we should do is to live a normal life but face the challenges in a manner that is effective. Political and media activism as well as financial support to help our families (all Arabs are one family) persevere and withstand the brutality is far more effective than grief. If for every Anglizionist attack you spend a few minutes to send a letter to the media to remind them this is terrorism, you have done far more than a weeping, inactive person. I suggest we tie our anger with our level of activism. That's more useful than getting depressed. Heck I think teaching one kid Dabkeh for every murdered kid is so important because so long as they know where the Dabkeh came from, they will not forget. Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. I know you agree with me but you are upset and so are we. Lets channel our energy to get the word out and to help those in need, without letting the zionist bastards control our lives.

Anonymous said...

One more thing Kilany. I read Hamzeh N's post and I want to assure you that I have nothing to do with his way of thinking. We come from totally different angles. His is purely selfish and indifferent. Mine is all about refusing to break but doing something positive with our anger to make a difference. Just wanted to clarify.

Mohanned said...

My friend,
Sometimes arabism is over-rated, Did you ask yourself whu are we in such a mess? Is it jordnaians who celebrate the win of petra or is it someone in tora bora? Is it because of someone who says life is the most valuable thing or is it because of someone how take revenge?
Life is not fair, and we(jordanians) are not god to change the world, we did to the arab and muslim causse more than anyone else..
And Yes we have the right to be happy, and we are happy..

Anonymous said...

"One more thing Kilany. I read Hamzeh N's post and I want to assure you that I have nothing to do with his way of thinking. We come from totally different angles. His is purely selfish and indifferent. Mine is all about refusing to break but doing something positive with our anger to make a difference. Just wanted to clarify."

Wow, 3allaameh ma sha2a Allah!

Anonymous said...

Mohannad, silence is golden, especially for folks like you or HamzehN who seem to utter mostly trash no matter how hard hard they try to sound intelligent. It's the Curse of the Tayseious, the Greek Goddess of Bad Manners.

Mohanned said...

jarbah,
You said it "silence is gold", so keep quiet, you added nothing except some bad smell..

Anonymous said...

"Mohannad, silence is golden, especially for folks like you or HamzehN who seem to utter mostly trash no matter how hard hard they try to sound intelligent. It's the Curse of the Tayseious, the Greek Goddess of Bad Manners."

It's funny that the person who was labeled selfish, indifferent, unintelligent, and "tais" with no provocation here is the "trash mouthed" and "bad mannered" one in your book. Some book that is, ha?!

Very intelligent masha2allah!

Anonymous said...

Mohanned and hamzeh,sa7joo yala sa7ejet a5er zaman.

Anonymous said...

"Mohanned and hamzeh,sa7joo yala sa7ejet a5er zaman."

Another very intelligent comment!

Anonymous said...

I find using the Palestinians' and Iraqis' suffering to criticize other people's actions to be extremely irrelevant. Palestinians' suffering goes back to 1948 ... it really is not breaking news...but here's a news flash for you: living in complete misery does not change the reality of Palestinians suffering since 1948, or what the Lebanese had to endure tracing back to 1975 and more recently what Iraqis are experiencing since 2003... that's why these very people try to lead a normal life which includes celebrations and partying in various forms. So, perhaps some of us ought to consider using a different argument to back up our criticisms!

antiZionist said...

والله شعبنا ألاردني ضايع ما بين الخزعبلات والمهاتارات,ليس هناك شئ أسمه أولاويات لهدا الشعب المغيب عن الواقع المؤلم والكارثي,الشعب الاردني من أكثر الشعوب المتخدره،،هناك المجازر والقتل علي جنب وطرف من الشرق والغرب ونحن نترقوص ونتخلوع علي شئ لن ليقدم أو يؤخر في حياتنه ،،،أستيقظ أيها الشعب المغيب والمخدر قبل فوات ألاوان

antiZionist said...

لقد ضربت المسمار علي رأسه يا أخ كيلااني،شعبنا ألاردنى مغيب كليا عن هذا الواقع المؤلم

M Kilany said...

Rameena,

Its a long post, that needs a long reply... I will do that, once I get out of office...

Hamzah,
U shouldn't feel offended...
No one is asking you to cancel the wedding today... but in a different time it would have been considered to have a quite one...

Mohannad,
The attitude of us doing more than anyone else to the Arab people and this type of showing off, has nothing to do with Jordanians, this is the American culture that oooh we are better than everyone else, its something that only brings hatred and racism, please don't use that tone... it can lead to painful events in the past when we did so much more to destroy than to build than others and you don't have to defend it... Everyone makes mistakes and you didn't cause it...

Gurbah,
Welcome to this blog, I know you mean well but don't you think it would be better to challange an argument than to launch personal attacks which will result in personal attacks as well... I'm sure there is a past behind this comment, leave it behind...

Iman,
I don't think Iraqis celebrate in the streets and go out waving or even turn the music outloud, and even if they do... they probably don't feel with their neighbours which should not be the case...

Antizionist,

أهلا و سهلا بشخص يشاركني رأيي أخيرا

M Kilany said...

Ordene,

What's the story behind all this hate with Gurba & you on one side and Mohannad and Hamza on the other one!?! please try not to provoke anyone... was there a comment war going on on another blog...

Anonymous said...

OH NO! IF IT'S NOT IMAN AGAIN coming to support the Brigades of Bad Manners. Wherever HamzahN and Mohannad goes, you can count on Iman to show up. And the focus is always the denigration of the humanitarian perspective. Of course

The Three Masakheet.

Go back to the stone from under which you crawled.

You know Kilany, may be you have a point. Maybe I was wrong. Because when I see people like the Three Masakheet I begin to believe that there is a deliberate attempt to sever Jordan from its Arab surroundings by Masakheet like these who do represent Jordan's elite.

Anonymous said...

i think you have a point but it is not applicable when you apply it on nations.

the way i see it is, if the people themselves don't care about what's going on in their country why should i (it is not personal for me)? and how can i expect them to support me if la sam7 Allah sth happened to my country?

Iraqis in Jordan, what did they do when the star academy singer (don't know her name) won??

the way to show support in my opinion is by taking action to help and not by not celebrating.

M Kilany said...

Wonders,

Exactly... we don't care, that's it... If Iraqis don't care and I'm sure many might not if Jordan is ruined (God Forbid) does that give us grounds not to care... if some nations would do something wrong is that enough reason to do the same ourselves...

Many brave souls went to defend Iraq from Jordan and they died there fighting... from Egypt, Syria, Morroco, Saudi and all over... I only wish someday those will be a majority in each and every country not a majority that is cheering in the streets...

I'm with you we should act aaaah this is something that breaks my heart... something that needs a hundred posts that would probably lead to dark corners...

Anonymous said...

"OH NO! IF IT'S NOT IMAN AGAIN coming to support the Brigades of Bad Manners. Wherever HamzahN and Mohannad goes, you can count on Iman to show up. And the focus is always the denigration of the humanitarian perspective. Of course

The Three Masakheet.

Go back to the stone from under which you crawled.

You know Kilany, may be you have a point. Maybe I was wrong. Because when I see people like the Three Masakheet I begin to believe that there is a deliberate attempt to sever Jordan from its Arab surroundings by Masakheet like these who do represent Jordan's elite."


Ok seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? Do you even know what you're talking about? Me, Mohannad, and Iman, a group? First, I most of the times disagree with Mohannad, he can testify to that himself! Second, Jordanian elite? Iman is 100% Palestinian flesh and blood and wasn't even born in Jordan or grew up in it! Third, the day I am considered part of the Jordanian elite is the day aliens land on Earth.

The problem is, your first two comments showed a little bit of intelligence, but it's what came afterward that I still can't comprehend. What exactly did I say to deserve this personal attack, huh? Just because I asked the question if people can celebrate their weddings this summer? So what if I didn't feel the need to go into a lengthey debate about keeping spirits up in hard times and letting the other side deprive us of enjoying our own moments of joy? With all respect to M Kilany, but his post is very sensationalist and exaggerated. Millions of people dying in Palestine and Iraq? Millions being stabbed in the back while we celebrate Petra? How long did we celebrate Petra exactly? One night!!!! One night people went out to celebrate the global recognition of that ancient site and Kilany thinks that's too much! What are they supposed to do? Sit home and cry like every day? Read the newspapers again to learn AGAIN about the hundred people who died in Iraq that day? Be pissed AGAIN? What did the people who did not celebrate for the same reasons Kilany mentioned do that night? Were they in Iraq helping people? Were they in Gaza or the West Bank? Darfur? Or home or at the coffee shop doing what they do every single night?

But regardless of my disagreement with Kilany's post, at least he has the decency to try to maintain a certain level of reasonable debate going on in his blog, while you for some weird unknown reason decided to apply ridicule as your tactics. Masakheet? That is very intelligent indeed! You know you were most right when you said "What matters is the balance," but I think you took it a little bit too far, trying to balance whatever level of intelligence you showed in your first two comments, with an out of this world level of emptiness in the last two.

And this is to M Kilany in hopes of explaining things. You said "What's the story behind all this hate with Gurba & you on one side and Mohannad and Hamza on the other one!?!" and also said "I'm sure there is a past behind this comment, leave it behind..."

Well, unfortunately, my guess as to where this comes from is as good as yours. It was all started by the first comment that I wrote here.

But here's a suggestion for everyone who's gonna come back to respond to this. Can you please put down your age first? Because I'm really starting to suspect that I'm dealing with little kids here, and I'd rather not waste my time if you're just an angry kid in his/her teens!

M Kilany said...

Hamzah...
Did you ever write a longer comment... by the way you were not that peaceful, "bad smell" and so on... and Mohannad "Jarba" everyone contributed something to this mess...

Rameena,
I don't know what to say... yallah 3alaihom :)

I'm going to start a poll on the best Masabbeh on this post... (no offense guys but 3 Mashakheet has a nice ring to it... Just kidding...

Really why can't we disagree and remain respectful... I loose my temper every now and then but I think the most difficult part is making peace with the other side... and when someone beats you to it you feel so small...

Anonymous said...

Kilany, I'm sorry but you're starting to confuse one person's comment with another's, and I don't blame you as this is getting ridiculous.

But just for the record, I did not say the words "bad smell" on this page at all. You were referring to a comment by another person.

Anyeone can take a look for themselves. They can read my first comment here, and then read the personal attack that immediately followed it by this person called "rameena" whom I did not even address in my first comment, yet still he/she decided to level unfounded claims of selfishness and indifference on me, and I must say it appears as though it was more of a cheap tactic on his/her part to try to get more on your good side by insulting others who were more blunt in their response to your post (ie. this person).

M Kilany said...

Hamzah,

Yes you are right that was Mohannad, anyway... Maybe I was thinking of your other provactive comment on Mohannad's post at the back of my mind...
"Yes, aah, na3am, wo khawa, wo elli mesh 3aajboh yballe6 el ba7ar ba3ed ma yeshrab maytoh.

If we're gonna act like these *nekdeen* want us to act, we might as well all commit suicide. They don't want us to celebrate anything. Next thing they'll say is that people can't celebrate their own weddings."

the word "khawa" is so childish... and creates alot of hate...

Anonymous said...

Hmm, I'm not sure if this is where that person is coming from, but I don't think my comment on Mohannad's blog was "provocative" and I don't think using the word "khawa" is childish.

At least I don't think calling those who do not want us to celebrate Petra's election "nekdeen" is more provocative or insulting than calling people who did celebrate and their celebrations a "disgrace", "betrayal" and acts of "indifference" and "madmen".

Nakad, put down, kill joy, there's really no nice way of describing this attitude that followed Petra's win. People celebrated that night and all of a sudden it was a "big disgrace". All of a sudden, history was gonna forget the thousands that marched the streets every year protesting the wars in Lebanon and Iraq and the occupation in Palestine and is gonna remember that some Jordanians went out on July 7th 2007 to celebrate their Petra elected as a world wonder, while "millions were dying and being stabbed in the back". That same night mind you; millions died in Iraq and Palestine, according to you, and those who celebrated that night, basically abandoned their attachment to the struggle of other Arabs and Muslims and humands throughout the word, says who? Them? No, only you.

The title of this post was "Why U should NOT celebrate". Just the title itself is a put down. People are happy that they finally have received some kind of tiny little bit of reason to celebrate, and here comes you telling them "U should NOT celebrate". Why? Is it 7aram? Kofor? If one night they celebrated?

This is why I said "nekdeen", because that is the best word that describes these attitudes.

Anonymous said...

Rameena,
And you would be??

Anyway.
Kilani and the rest,
I’ve learned from past experience and with certain people that no matter what you say or how you say it, there are people out there with deeply fixed thoughts - no matter how screwed up these thoughts are - that even the mother of logic will not be able to change them…and so the mere attempt to continue engaging in dialogue with them is utterly pointless!