Saturday, January 5, 2008

More US Money into Jordan

The Congress approves an increase in financial aid by 48% to Jordan... Just thought you should know...

41 comments:

Hani Obaid said...

I read that article too, and we should all be grateful to the US.

but what surprised me was that in addition to the 365 million this new act US congress approved, it also provides an additional 300 million for security.

This is all for internal security of course, but it's mind boggling that a country of our size needs as much money for internal security as it does to stay on its feet.

M Kilany said...

Hani,
The 300 Million is definetely not for internal secuirity...

The information provided to the US is priceless... Remember Zarqawi and Saddam...

Mohanned said...

Hani,
Jordan ranks among the top 10 countries in the world in military spending as a percentage of the GDP.

I can't remember the source, but I am sure I read it somewhere..

Mohanned said...

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2034rank.html

There you go..
In wikipedia it says we spend almost 1.3 billion a year..

O begollak 6allat al rover 6allat;)

Anonymous said...

US aid is to help Jordan protect Israel by guarding the borders and by suppressing internal dissent (aka stability) targeting acceptance of Israel, hence the attacks on the Palestinian resistance, the Jordanian communists, nationalists, and now islamists. That's very costly business. And when you have to buy people, you have to spend some cas$h. That's why despite all this aid, Jordan's schools, the only savior for Jordanian children, are run down and our public educational infrastructure compares to that of Cameron. JORDAN FIRST!!! (or Is it US and Israel First?) it's confusing.

Anonymous said...

Omaru is 100% correct. The US does not just give away aid (US taxpayers monies) unless it's going to benefit them or Israel.

Anonymous said...

Omaru is 100% correct. The US does not just give away aid (US taxpayers monies) unless it's going to benefit them or Israel.

M Kilany said...

Omaru,
You are right about many things but the public education sector is not one of them...

The human resource in Jordan is considered one of the best in the region, I went to a meeting in UAE and I was told by non-Jordanians that when companies want highly educated staff for a position they always shoot for Jordan...

M Kilany said...

Anon,
Ofcourse the US benefits, strategic alliance in the middle east is crucial to face other growing powers in the region...

M Kilany said...

Hani,
Grateful to the US!!! Are you playing the Byzantine thing again...

Anonymous said...

m kilany: "The human resource in Jordan is considered one of the best in the region,"

Get real. You can thanks UNRWA schools in Jordan and private schools paid for by Jordanian expat money for any success on the educational front in Jordan. That leaves many Jordanian children out in the cold. Fact is, whenever the Jordanians government gets involved, Jordanians suffer.

Anonymous said...

Hani Obaid "we should all be grateful to the US."

How is we? the government I am sure because the overwhelming majority of Jordanians cannot claim to have been touched by US aid. Our economy is in shambles, poverty and unemployment are on the rise. public education is taking non-stop hits. what are you talking about dude? or are you referring to our foreign policy that shames jordan and jordanains? you are not making sense. you need to drive around jordan before you make speeches about gratefulness.

Anonymous said...

Omaru """whenever the Jordanians government gets involved, Jordanians suffer."""

That's because the concept of governance in the civilized world is based on bureaucracy in the service of citizens. While in Jordan and other backward countries, it's a political tool of buying people and maintaining loyalties. Therefore, those who work in government do so because they see it as an entitlement, their right to get paid from the national loot, so to speak, not because of their love for country and for their love of serving Jordan and Jordanians.

Hani Obaid said...

Janb, 3 sentences don't make a speech.

We need all the help we can get.

Even if the funds just provide stability. That is in itself something not to be taken for granted.

M Kilany said...

Omaru,
I am real, I don't know where you live... but I have seen way too many A students in the University graduate from Schools like Kolliyat Al-Hussein and other unkown public schools...

Sure there are some really bad public schools, but there are also some good ones... If we start comparing to nearby countries you will be shocked...

M Kilany said...

Hani,
I think the only reason we need all that money for stability is because the Gov. is backing the US good or wrong...

Well paid mercenaries isn't a good thing... especially if you're killing the people who once stood by your side, spilled blood over your soil, supported your economy and educated your young...

Treachery seems to be the word… And sadly this is how history will remember our stand...

M Kilany said...

right or wrong

Anonymous said...

hani obeid: "Even if US funds just provide stability."

there is no stability without freedoms or at least prosperity. i don't mind Chinese repression if it comes with chines economic growth and opportunity and national strength. stability my ass. first you tells us to show gratitude for worthless US aid, then you tell us repression is stability. the jordan blogs are swarming with neo-liberals.

Hani Obaid said...

Anon, so your definition of neoliberal is Anyone whose views differ than yours ?

You call life in Jordan repression ? compared to where ? Palestine ? Iraq ? Lebanon ? Egypt ? KSA ?

What is your reference ?

Be realistic.

Hani Obaid said...

mkilany, are the most moral choice, and the best choice for survivial the same in this case ?

Anonymous said...

hani "so your definition of neoliberal is Anyone whose views differ than yours ?"

No, there is a set of criteria that have to applied first and you passed most of them.

Basically, a neoliberal is an opportunist, the modern day version of the meek subject. someone who always finds excuses for the rich and strong. Someone who sees evil and spins it into good. (US interventions and regime repression)

Notice how everything you say in this or previous posts simply shows your gratitude to imperialism and dictatorship.

Basically, you side with the rich and powerful, and you find excuses for them.

That's the gist of your contribution to the Jordanian blogospheres.

I hope that explains why clearly you are a neoliberal.

Anonymous said...

hani "You call life in Jordan repression ? compared to where ? Palestine ? Iraq ? Lebanon ? Egypt ? KSA ? What is your reference ?"

hani, here you go again with your neoliberal spins.

how convenient for you to ignore that the instability and repression in those countries is protected by the same US whose aid protects Jordanian dictatorship and corruption.

instability in Palestine is US-funded and supported. It's called 3 billion dollars in annual aid to Israel apartheid. Instability in Iraq is direct result of US violence. As for KSA and Egypt, the repression there is also US-supported. And the US calls those Axis of Moderates. But at least KSA is a filthy rich country. So if you want to repress me but give me an economically dignified life, by all means. As for Egypt, who said it's more repressive than Jordan. Egypt happens to be 70 million strong. So everything is magnified. They lock up people and we do. they torture people and we do. but we are 5 million, so do basic math. But you forget Egypt is a cultural and industrial Arab superpower. Even with their repression, they have so much to be proud of. We have been transformed by our regime into impoverished minions for Uncle Sam and Aunt Zion.

But the fundamental flaw in your comparison with above countries is that you picked the wrong countries to compare us with. But you being a neoliberal on the hunt for excuses for failure and repression, it's natural to do so.

Jordanians are highly educated people. The rate of college graduates in Jordan compares or exceeds some developed countries or developing countries on the upper scale of progress. our citizens beat or come close to Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, Honk Kong, Dubai, ... yet our indicators are edging Cameron and Ecuador (both still democracies at least). there are three types of failures in governance: there are failures of negligence and there are failures of predisposition. for a few decades now, Jordanian government suffers from failure of predisposition.

I will refer you to Omaru's comment:

"That's because the concept of governance in the civilized world is based on bureaucracy in the service of citizens. While in Jordan and other backward countries, it's a political tool of buying people and maintaining loyalties. Therefore, those who work in government do so because they see it as an entitlement, their right to get paid from the national loot, so to speak, not because of their love for country and for their love of serving Jordan and Jordanians."

Bilalٍ said...

WOW! A simple two lines post generated all these comments. Either we are a very politically orientated nation or we hate US a lot:)

M Kilany said...

Hani,

The most moral choice is always obvious. While the best choice for survival, is only a speculation. You call it the best choice for survival, I might not...

Your choice of words is a bit misleading, we are not talking about "Survival" that is remaining alive...

Your question would be more accurately rephrased as: "are the most moral choice, and the best choice for "improvement" the same in this case?"

Maybe, but place Iraqi blood in one hand and gaining more money or improvement -not survival- in the other! And the choices are clear...

M Kilany said...

Anon,
I think Hani is taking the other sides point of view just to make an argument... Read his last post on http://blog.haniobaid.com/

Bilal,
We do hate the US that much, but its not only that... Hani is adding another dimension to the discussion... and it's generating alot of comments... Me included...

Anonymous said...

kilany "I think Hani is taking the other sides point of view just to make an argument"

No he does not. that's his back up story.

Hani has shown consistency of view, siding with the oppressive and powerful, trying to cozy up to them. He has shown very little sympathy for those who have been wronged or for their point of view. Hani is a predator's best friend.

http://blog.haniobaid.com/2007/09/21/tatbee3-normalization-the-dirtiest-word-of-them-all/

Anonymous said...

http://blog.haniobaid.com/2007/09/21/tatbee3-normalization-the-dirtiest-word-of-them-all/

don't know why link got cut before.

Anonymous said...

http://blog.haniobaid.com/2007/09/21/
tatbee3-normalization-the-dirtiest-word-of-them-all

Let me try again.

M Kilany said...

Anon,
I just read the Article, I think that Hani sees things just from an economical point of view above anything else...

Anonymous said...

kilany, what economic point of view? how convenient. how pragmatic. how cold-blooded. how opportunistic.

Hani Obaid said...

Anon, pragmatic ? absolutely. Cold blooded ? hardly. opporunistic ? I have nothing to gain either way.

Having lived in Ramallah for 15 years, in Canada for 10, and Jordan for 4 taught me a few things. My ideas are considered foreign in all those places.

If you're asking if I have loyalties, I do not. There is no land I would give my life for, and the only people I would fight for are my family, but even then only if I thought it would save them.

You seem to view Americans and Israelis are some sort of monster out to expoit and destroy you. The big conspiracy.

If you're going to hate them, at least try to understand them. Things aren't as black and white as you make them. Saddam was opressive, and yet Iraq was a much better place to live under his rule than the current mess.

Being highly educated means very little for development if you can't bring in investors. Investors want stability so their money will be safe. I want stability so I can walk down the street without getting shot. So spare me the conspiracy theories and the rhetoric about siding with the rich and powerful.

M Kilany said...

Anon,
It's another way of describing his point of view... You speak with passion and heart... I admire that, I might agree with you but I say things in a cold hearted manner... to keep the conversation a bit balanced....

M Kilany said...

Hani,
We understand them... the US & Israelis... in fact that's why we hate them :)

Anonymous said...

hani "Ramallah ...Canada ...Jordan, My ideas are considered foreign in all those places."

Thank you for leaving out Washington, DC and Tel Aviv. Your ideas are at home there.

Anonymous said...

hani "If you're asking if I have loyalties, I do not. There is no land I would give my life for"

This is about fundamental human right. it's about justice. it's about freedom and equality. all of those taken away by lethal from by the people you are so busy finding excuses for. it's about a life where the strong does not pry on the weak and does not get away with it. it seems you have no loyalty to any liberal value.

Anonymous said...

Hani "You seem to view Americans and Israelis are some sort of monster out to expoit and destroy you. The big conspiracy."

You seem so stupid you can't read the UNRWA website that says 4 million Arabs have been uprooted to make room for jews. You seem to dump you can't read the reports about the half a million Arabs starved in Iraq by the Anglo sanctions, then the 1.5 millions who were slaughtered after the Anglo invasion of Iraq.

If you don't see exploitation and destruction in all of this and still think this is some bogus conspiracy theory people like me invented, then you are so dump and so insensitive it's not worth debating with you.

Hani Obaid said...

Anon, you do not debate, but simply throw insults around. So I'm afraid there's no point taking this further for me. Sorry.

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Hani Obaid said...

Mashkaljy, Actually what is well known is that someone who knows his argument is too weak to stand on its own merits will resort to insults to cover it up.

M Kilany said...

Mashkalgi,

I disagree with Hani over a million things... But if he was a zionist he will tell you that in your face...

I have to delete that comment, please try to be civil... you can quote and discuss but please don't trash the arguments or the post...

Anonymous said...

This question is directed to Mr Obaid,,If somebody take your house by force and treachery ,would you ,Mr obaid like to see your neighbors normalise relation with that person that occupied your house ???????Answer this very empirical question without going around it.